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Re: New Stuff - Ecowitt Has the Newest Fine Offset Hardware

February 28, 2019, 7:58 am
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Quote from: Shvedi on Today at 10:28:58 AM
Quote from: galfert on Yesterday at 03:45:26 PM
Quote from: MacGarage on Yesterday at 03:36:57 PM
Have you figured out a way to view your info via the mobile app, not via WU, when off the local wireless network?

Viewing of all sensors only possible by two ways: mobile app (only works on local network) or via Ecowitt.net (works anywhere). You can for main weather station sensors add 3 other weather services: WU, WeatherCloud, Metoffice WOW.

The mobile WS View app was designed as sort of like a local console when on your network. It provides the most live data like you would expect any console to provide. It is also how you calibrate and configure. So the WS View app is pretty useless unless you are on the local network (besides letting you add multiple WU stations...that don't have to be your station and that works anywhere). I sort of like the WS View app for viewing WU stations. It provides a Humidity graph that WU does not provide.

So Ecowitt WS View mobile app is different from the AmbientWeather app, that shows the AmbientWeather.net data adjusted to the mobile screen? Does the Ecowitt.net responsive and shows well on a mobile?
Yes Ecowitt's app is a separate app that you install on your mobile device (Android or iOS). The WS View app looks identical the the Ambient awnet app...they are the same thing...but some minor version differences. You can have both installed at the same time but you can only open one or the other at one time (they hog the connection and don't share it) as it seems they talk on one port that is not shared. But I wouldn't say that the Ecowitt app shows the AmbietnWeather.net data. It is more like the Ecowitt app sees and shows you a live view to your sensor array and other sensors. The Ecowitt app does not show you historical data. It is just a live view like looking at your WS-2902 console.

I think the GW1000 live view on the WS View app looks great on a mobile device.

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If you scroll down on this screen you see all the other optional sensors that you may have.

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Another question:
I have the ws-2902 (without A) model, with the original firmware (3. something). If I'll get the GW1000 - will my station appear in Ecowitt.net?

Yes it will work with your WS-2902. But only if the frequency matches. Meaning 915 Mhz or 433 Mhz.  When you order the GW1000 you can specify which frequency you need. If you order in the US from Amazon then you'll get 915 MHz which matches all of Ambient's stuff. Then yes the GW1000 will publish your data to Ecowitt.net.
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ObserverIP 4.5.6 released

February 28, 2019, 10:18 am
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https://www.ambientweather.com/observerip.html

Version 4.5.6:
Fixes lock up issue introduced in Version 4.5.5.

Version 4.5.5:
Fixes issue with Relative Pressure Correction that was introduced in Version 4.5.2.
Adds support of PM2.5 particulate air quality sensor (coming Q2 2019).
Fixes Rain Event bug.
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Re: New Stuff - Ecowitt Has the Newest Fine Offset Hardware

February 28, 2019, 11:33 am
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Yes, I have the 915 Mhz version.
I understood that the ws view app works only if your phone is within your wifi range, and it's useless if your not at home - but I didn't find an Ecowitt app on google play, only the ws view app. Do they have a special app or just a responsive site like Ambient used to have before they published their app?
Thanks very much!  [tup]
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Re: New Stuff - Ecowitt Has the Newest Fine Offset Hardware

February 28, 2019, 3:10 pm
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Re: New Stuff - Ecowitt Has the Newest Fine Offset Hardware

February 28, 2019, 4:30 pm
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The iPhone app for the WH2320 looks pretty similar



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Re: ObserverIP 4.5.6 released

March 1, 2019, 7:53 am
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Thanks for the heads up. They definitely fixed the Weather Network tab no change issue.
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Re: ObserverIP Firmware Tips - WS-2902A WS-2000 + Dealing with Meteobridge Bad Data

March 1, 2019, 8:27 am
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Firmware version 4.5.6 fixes lockout problem introduced with version 4.5.5. Several fixes and updates with 4.5.5 and 4.5.6. Adds PM2.5, fixes rain event, fixes problem with WU Relative Pressure, and of course the lockout issue in Weather Network tab.

Unfortunately DHCP IP address renewal still has a bug. I recommend using static IP.  I realize there are people running with DHCP with no problems. Perhaps it has to do with my router. My router is an Asus RT-AC68U which is a very popular brand and model and a nice model. Still every other device on my network with upwards of 38 devices all renew their DHCP lease without issues. When running on DHCP the ObserverIP will keep its IP address past the lease time. Sure it may still function but the DHCP server has no idea that the ObserverIP is still using that IP and it may had out that IP to something else and if you have a busy network (as I do) with devices coming and going then you can end up with IP conflicts. It is also possible that the router drops connection to the ObserverIP for not having a valid lease. The ObserverIP may restart automatically...but that doesn't always happen at the 20 minute mark from observation. I would have hoped that Ambient Weather would have fixed this issue by now that I reported last year. I have also been in contact with Fine Offset. They have not been too forthcoming in wanting to tackle this issue. Perhaps they think this is back burner stuff. I find it unacceptable that a device does not conform to networking standards. Bottom line....configure to use Static IP.

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How to update WS-2902A firmware?

March 1, 2019, 10:03 am
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I recently installed a new Ambient Weather WS-2902A station. During initial setup with the awnet Android app I took the opportunity to update the firmware to v4.1.1 using the update button. Now I see according to this forum that newer firmware versions are available up through v4.5.6. Unfortunately, my awnet app does not currently show any "Upgrade Firmware to x.x.x" button. So how do I go about updating my firmware from v4.1.1 to the latest version?
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Re: How to update WS-2902A firmware?

March 1, 2019, 1:26 pm
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I have WS-2902A and I did update  to V4.1.1 through the awnet app weeks ago. Not since then have I seen any other updates.
Maybe the update is not for this pws??
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Re: How to update WS-2902A firmware?

March 1, 2019, 2:25 pm
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Maybe the update is not for this pws??

Yes, I believe you're right and I misunderstood. I think that the latest firmware updates must only be intended for the more sophisticated WS-2000 console.
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Re: How to update WS-2902A firmware?

March 2, 2019, 11:14 am
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The confusion is that the firmware that you read version 4.5.6 is not for the WS-2902A console. It is for the ObserverIP. That thread that mentions the firmware for the ObserverIP is also a thread that talks about using the WS-2902A outdoor sensor array with the ObserverIP as the console.

Some of the Ambient Weather (Fine Offset clones) have interchangeable components to create a new weather station with different capabilities. If you mix and match some of these components then you match what some complete kits get sold as with their own model name. But the components are still the same, so you can add components from a slightly different complete kit and end up with new capabilities.

The WS-2902A is two parts. The outdoor sensor array called WS-2902A sensor or also called Osprey sensor or WS-2902-ARRAY or also called WH65B. The other part is the console called the WS-2902A-CONSOLE.

For example:
  • WS-2902A = WS-2902-ARRAY + WS-2902A-CONSOLE
  • WS-2000 = WS-2902-ARRAY + WS-2000-C + WH32B
  • WS-1900 = WS-2902-ARRAY + WS-1900-CONSOLE
  • WS-1550-IP = WS-2902-ARRAY + ObserverIP + WH32B ....technically it doesn't come with the WH32B but you need to add it

So if you start with a WS-2902A but later decide that you want the functionality offered by the ObserverIP console you can add just that part and keep using your existing display also. So the thread you read about the ObserverIP firmware mentions the WS-2902A because it uses the same outdoor sensor array as what you have. The firmware is for the console parts only.

You can also create a station with parts that are not sold together...

For example:
WS-2902-ARRAY + ObseverIP + WS-1000-BTH (these parts never sold as a kit... thus has no complete model name)

This last example works but that configuration was never sold. It is basically a WS-1550-IP with a WS-1000-BTH instead of WH32B. So it is using the older version of the WH32B...which works....it just has older sensor but the signal it sends is the same.

And there is no limitation of how many of these components your have. Some people started off with a WS-1400-IP which is:
WS1-1400-IP = WS-1001-ARRAY + ObserverIP + WS-1000-BTH
Then those people when their outdoor array dies instead of replacing like for like outdoor array they can just buy a new WS-2902-ARRAY and they are back in business without having to buy a complete new station and they don't have to replace with the old sensor array that is now superseded by a newer better version which is the WS-2902-ARRAY.

I have the following components and yes they all work at the same time as one station with all these different parts:
WS-2902A-ARRAY + WS-2000-CONSOLE + WS-2902-CONSOLE + ObserverIP + ObserverIP + WH32B (yes 2x ObserverIP devices ...to run different firmware and capture data sent to other network server).

The following are just consoles. You can have any number of these with one WS-2902-ARRAY as you want:
  • WS-2902A-CONSOLE
  • WS-2000-CONSOLE
  • WS-1900-C (same as WS-2902A-CONSOLE but no Internet capabilities...good cheap extra display)
  • ObserverIP

* The advantage of having an ObserverIP is that it can then send data to a WeatherBridge which is an Ambient branded Meteobridge. You can also do other things with an ObserverIP like run it with old firmware that supports telnet and then send data directly to a WeeWx server without need of complicated network traffic interception. You can also run non Ambient firmware on the ObserverIP like from Aercus.
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Re: How to update WS-2902A firmware?

March 2, 2019, 11:40 am
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Thank you galfert for your explanation.
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Re: How to update WS-2902A firmware?

March 3, 2019, 9:46 am
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Okay good to know! I'm just a rookie here still trying to wrap my head around all this.

So if I got this right,  to add another console to my pws for viewing I could just buy these items in blue. Think Im leaning to  the 2000 console.

WS-2000 = WS-2902-ARRAY + WS-2000-C + WH32B
WS-1900 = WS-2902-ARRAY + WS-1900-CONSOLE

Now, will this be a problem with  2000 console uploading second time to the internet?? As in having to 2 reads for one station.
Where can I find best prices on these items?
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Osprey communications options for local data

March 3, 2019, 10:16 am
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Was thinking of buying an Osprey and wondering what the communications to the Ambient servers look like. Is it possible to intercept those, like we do with the Acurite weather bridge, and use it to process the data locally without having to query a remote API or use an RTL-sdr?
Thanks.
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Re: How to update WS-2902A firmware?

March 3, 2019, 10:19 am
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I should clarify that you can actually have each console send to the same online service as long as it is for a different station ID. For example with Weather Underground for me to do simultaneous testing and comparison of the consoles I set up a separate ID for each console and I placed them on the WU map near me but not on top of a neighbor's house. I put them on the map in the woods nearby. You also want them far enough apart so that they aren't on top of each other - 500 ft apart works well.

For AmbeintWeather.net all the consoles can send there because they automatically upload to their own MAC address related device under that service.
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Re: Osprey communications options for local data

March 3, 2019, 10:34 am
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Yes you can if you invest in the right hardware/software. No need to intercept traffic to AmbientWeather.net, which is not possible I don't think. The data can be had in so many other better ways that I don't think it has crossed anyone's mind to attempt that. Besides AmbientWeather.net has a published API where you can get your data from them. But read on...there are direct ways to get the data over the local network.

The simplest method is also the most expensive. You add an Ambient ObserverIP and and WeatherBridge. The ObserverIP receives the data directly via RF just as your display console does. Then the WeatherBridge gets its data from the ObserverIP over your local network. The WeatherBridge does this by reading the ObserverIP's Live Data page. So there is no need to set up complicated network intercept procedures. Once the WeatherBridge has the data then you configure it to send data anywhere you want. You can send data to SQL database or to Weather-Display software, and to many other online services like CWOP, PWSweather, AWEKAS, WOW...and many more. You can also upload to your own website using templates that are available online such as Weather34, SaratogaWx, Meteotemplate and others.

The WeatherBridge is just a Meteobridge that is sold and been branded by Ambient Weather. Of you could save some money by building your own Meteobridge. But then you won't have the license to upload to AmbientWeather.net....you could add this license....but it would then be cheaper to have just bought the WeatherBridge instead. But the ObserverIP is capable of sending to AmbientWeather.net so this isn't something you'll miss in a DIY Meteobridge.

The WeatherBridge/Meteobridge isn't the only option. You can also setup WeeWx on a Raspberry Pi and intercept the traffic. Then you can send the data just about anywhere with the WeeWx as you can with a Meteobridge.

The nice part about the ObserverIP and WeatherBridge solution is that it is all sold as supported expansions from Ambient Weather for your Ambient station.

There are more methods...and if you want to learn about them so that you can research them further I suggest reading this thread. Even though it talks about posting data to CWOP, these methods are applicable to send your data anywhere you want.

https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=34922.0

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Re: Osprey communications options for local data

March 3, 2019, 11:06 am
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Thanks! That post had what I was looking for.  It seems like the Osprey sends the metrics to wunderground, which has everything I need, so I can just impersonate rtupdate.wunderground.com, get the querystring (which has all the data I need), and resend that to the real wunderground. This is more or less like option 2 in that post you referenced. I guess it is more technical and requires a dd-wrt based router or similar,  but I already do this for the acurite sensors.

Will look at the other options if that doesn't work - I have an rtl-sdr but don't like dedicating it to this.

Thanks again!
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Re: Osprey communications options for local data

March 3, 2019, 11:36 am
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If you are going to go about it capturing rather intercepting the WU data I would recommend using the Raspberry Pi and using its built in WiFi to create a Hotspot. Then you run WeeWx on the Pi and you can then easily capture the WU data without need of DD-WRT router.

So if you aren't going to go with the Method 1: ObseverIP and Meteobridge, then I would recommend Method 2.5: in that thread which simplifies by only needing a Raspberry Pi and WeeWx software.
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Re: New Stuff - Ecowitt Has the Newest Fine Offset Hardware

March 4, 2019, 4:26 am
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Firmware version 1.4.1 fixes WU to upload every 30 seconds. I wish it was 16 seconds like my WS-2000 and WS-2902A.

Has anyone tried 1.4.2 which came out last week? I'm hesitant to jump through versions so quickly. But I guess it is a good sign they are working hard to improve things. They really need to publish a change log.

Since everything is working fine it seems, I'm going to hold off till I hear from you all if version 1.4.3 or later is out. I want to test if firmware is incremental one by one or if it can jump and skip multiple versions in one step.
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Re: New Stuff - Ecowitt Has the Newest Fine Offset Hardware

March 4, 2019, 7:37 am
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My Ecowitt kit has arrived (nearly). Unfortunately I missed the FedEx delivery and its back at the delivery centre and this means I will have to re-arrange. (Doh!)
The upside of course is that I have a shiny new GW-1000 shipped last week waiting for me with presumably the latest firmware.
As soon as I can unbox and start getting setup I will post here, but I suspect I wont get a chance until Thursday at the earliest and even then it might be just a cursory viewing as it will take me longer to get the Ecowitt version of the Osprey sensors up in its new home.
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