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Re: Trying to Use Custom to link to PWSweather on watson W8686 - HP2550 clone

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yep, i forgot to add the - sign to the position but for some reason it showed OK on the map as chichester   #-o

and even though I updated the device info , and it moved on the map, it did not move on the live system
galfert , posted , that i cannot update position and suggested i delete the old device and add a new one
Which I have done
EWITTW8686ETAF1
But its not live yet, it took a few hours before the the old ID went live, so I'm hoping it will update this one soon.

Don't wont to get wet feet, maintaining the unit , so had to move :)  [tup]

Thanks for taking the time look and bring to my attention


Re: WS-1002WiFi - array is a "consumable"

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I have to say that your location is probably about as bad a location for electronics as you can get.
A hot tropical location at sea level next to the sea!
By necessity the sensors are exposed to the air and they will corrode exponentially in that environment.
I doubt that even Davis will last much longer than Fine Offset in such locations.
There are specialist weather stations designed for such harsh conditions but they are expensive. As Galfert notes the newer stations and equipment released after the 1001/1002 are very much better but even these will have limited lifespans in your locale!

I think you will have to accept that in your lovely and beautiful location that you will have to assume that you will need to replace the external sensors at least every other year if you wish to stay using consumer grade weather stations.

HP2550 Clone - how Forecast works hpa difference

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I'm trying to work out how the forecast works on the device
Particularly the hpa difference
I have the Watson W8686 which is a clone of the HP2550 unit

in the forecast/barometer area , you have a symbol showing if the pressure is falling or raising , and a hpa difference number

on my unit today - it showed 0.4 and a falling icon
reading was 1019.9 REL and so the number it was refering to was 1020.3 and this worked for the difference as the pressure changed - then looked at past results , and could not really see any timescale where it matched , that made sense

Seems to change every 30 mins , but i can't work out what the reference is
Average for last ???
A specific value so many hours ago - that does not seem to work , looking at my history data

Just wondered if anyone knew how this worked, nothing in the manual or online , i sent fineoffset a query , but not really expecting a reply

see the red box on the image below
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Re: HP2550 Clone - how Forecast works hpa difference

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only the programmers of the code will be able to tell you exactly how they base their evaluations/calculations. Perhaps they have documentation explaining it.
if you are doing it on the basis of what you see, then you would need to collate plenty of data over a long time period to see how it all works.

Re: HP2550 Clone - how Forecast works hpa difference

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I thought it maybe an algorithm only known to the programmers, shame its not in the user manual - althought it does say allow a month for the unit to know about your weather to be able to forecast the 5 icons
thanks again for the reply

Re: WS-80 Ultrasonic Wind sensor array

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Ideally, I'd like the GW1000 to transmit data as and when an RF packet is received. That's what my ambient weather ObserverIP does.
I'd like to revisit this point regarding the ObserverIP. What exactly are you saying that the ObserverIP does??? The ObserverIP is inferior to the GW1000 in just about every way possible. Are you talking about the ObserverIP's Live Data page? That is what I think you are talking about. The ObserverIP Live Data page does refresh quite frequently from what I remember. This data though is just for viewing pleasure and I suppose you could use one of the scripts that scrape this page for data. This is a poor method of getting data as it overwhelms the ObserverIP and it crashes often. The GW1000 with its local network API is superior. I understand that perhaps this Live Data page on the ObserverIP could get you quicker data. But if the question is about getting quicker data to some software then you can use one of the various 3rd party software packages with the GW1000 and you'll gain much better results. The "Customized" server upload feature of the GW1000 is limited to upload every 16 seconds and perhaps you can request that this limitation be changed and that would be a firmware upgrade on the GW1000 and other consoles with this feature.

Re: WS-80 Ultrasonic Wind sensor array

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Just checked WSView and the GW1000 that is reading from the WS80 and I can confirm that the Wind data updates every 5 seconds on the display.
Hope that helps some, though not if you are unable to get the device in the USA.
Do you have any relatives overseas who could trans-ship it for you

If you are in the US and you have GW1000 you can get the WS80 from Ambient. It will work. Because Ecowitt console with Ambient sensor is a working solution. It is currently out of stock...but it should be available at some point.
https://www.ambientweather.com/amwewsreulan.html

Excellent that the WS View does update quick enough to view the WS80 in its glory. I suppose that it still only uploads to WU every 16 seconds???

Re: WS-80 Ultrasonic Wind sensor array

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I've got an ecowitt GW1000 and thinking about getting a WS80. From what I can tell, the GW1000 will lose 2/3 of the data from the WS80, though, because in WS View I can't configure it to send data more frequently than every 16s and the WS80 reports every 5s from what I understand.
We need more clarity on what you are trying to say. First some corrections. WS View does not send data. WS View only receives data from the GW1000 because it asks for it in its live view. I don't have a WS80 so your input here would be helpful. If you are saying that the WS View only sees updates every 16 seconds that is because that is how the WS View app has been configured....basically to just ask only every 16 seconds.

My reference to WS View was for configuring the GW1000. AFAIK, the only way to configure the GW1000 so it directly reports to weather services is using WS View. I've configured mine to report to a custom server (I've got a server running http://www.weewx.com/) using the ecowitt protocol (being received by https://github.com/matthewwall/weewx-interceptor/). When configuring that, the reporting interval can be configured, but unfortunately only for 16s+. This determines how often the GW1000 will send a data packet to my web-based weather station.

Yes you use WS View to configure the upload to various services...but it still isn't WS View that is doing the sending to those services. The WS View is just a window into the settings inside of the GW1000. It is the GW1000 itself that then sends the data to the various services at some determined interval. These upload intervals are not able to be changed as they are defined by the receiving service. What I'm saying is that it isn't up to the GW1000 to decide how often to upload data to the various services...unless they allow it. For example Weather Underground is the only service that allows less than 16 second uploads. In my experience (from various brands of weather stations and loggers) you should not exceed 3 seconds when uploading to Weather Underground as the Weather Underground counter will really not process your data any faster than every 3 seconds. I believe that the GW1000 right now only uploads to WU every 16 seconds because that was the maximum of their spinning anemometer. I can see changing the GW1000 to be able to upload to WU quicker than 16 seconds if you own a WS80. The fact that the WS80 is only available through Ambient in the US in inconsequential for this change in the GW1000, because the GW1000 is used worldwide where the WS80 is available from Ecowitt....so this potential update to the GW1000 would be beneficial to GW1000 users worldwide.

Yes, I'm aware. Though you're mistaken on the upload intervals, when configuring a custom weather service, the reporting interval is one of the settings that is configured, along w/ IP/Port/Path/Protocol.

And yes, this change would be beneficial to GW1000 world-wide, which is why I'm reaching out on this forum.

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I reached out to EcoWitt and they were super responsive, but unfortunately since I'm in the US where the WS80 is an AmbientWeather exclusive, Lucy basically said that unless other customers were interested in this, they'd hold off on doing anything about it.
See my point above regarding US sales of WS80. This should not be an issue. Ecowitt doesn't need to know where you are. This potential change would benefit all users worldwide. But I still need clarity that you are referring to WU or to just WS View itself or both.

I agree it shouldn't matter, but that's literally the first thing I was asked in response to my initial email. When I said I was located in the US, I was politely informed about AmbientWeather's exclusivity. I tried one more time to make my case, in ...

Re: WS-80 Ultrasonic Wind sensor array

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Just checked WSView and the GW1000 that is reading from the WS80 and I can confirm that the Wind data updates every 5 seconds on the display.
Hope that helps some, though not if you are unable to get the device in the USA.
Do you have any relatives overseas who could trans-ship it for you

Yes, sorry for not being clear enough. WSView was just a means to an end for configuring the GW1000.

And yes, I do have overseas connections, so definitely interested in finding a solution :)

Re: WS-80 Ultrasonic Wind sensor array

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Yes, I'm aware. Though you're mistaken on the upload intervals, when configuring a custom weather service, the reporting interval is one of the settings that is configured, along w/ IP/Port/Path/Protocol.

Okay you are more clear now. But I did mention that "Customized" server upload is limited to 16 seconds as a minimum and that this could be a requested change in the GW1000 firmware, or maybe it is WS View that is acting as the limiter of valid configuration to send to the GW1000.

There are other ways to get data. If you use Cumulus MX for example it uses a different means for getting data from the GW1000 that is more instantaneous. The crutch that you are experiencing stems from the limitation of the "Customized" server upload and its 16 second limit. WeeWX is in the process of being updated to support the GW1000 API instead of needing to rely on the "Customized" server upload feature. Then WeeWX will be able to query for data as frequently as it wants....just as other software that currently uses the API can....like Cumulus MX, Meteobridge, and Weather-Display.

That said your point is valid. You don't need to mention WS80 to Ecowitt. The simple request you basically have is that they change the "Customized" server upload feature to allow for less than 16 seconds as an upload interval. The WS View is just a means of getting to the GW1000 settings. Perhaps though it is WS View that prohibits sending the configuration of less than 16 seconds to the GW1000.

Re: WS-80 Ultrasonic Wind sensor array

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In fact, you can minimize the interval down to 1 second.
But you have to configure this interval less than 16 seconds yourself - with alternative software.
WS View is blocking any interval below 16 seconds.
The GW1000 itself is powerfull enough to send the data every second.
I tried this over days and it worked for me.

But I was expecting the app to check the presence of the WS80 and then allow a shorter interval.
That would really make sense when using a WS80.

Regards, Oliver

Any chance you can share that alternative software approach? Would be very interesting to use w/ WS80 to get all the wind data out of it.

In the meantime, anybody who's interested in this may want to email foshk05@163.com (the contact given for the WS View app) or maybe ecowitt support.

Re: WS-80 Ultrasonic Wind sensor array

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Any chance you can share that alternative software approach?
Yes.
Do you use Ecowitt or WU for custom server?
Do you have a Linux-machine with Python3 available?
You could try this:

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# set GW1000's sending interval below 16 seconds and set it to send in Ecowitt-mode
# original Server IP / Hostname, Path and Port remain as is

# take a screenshot of the current custom server settings in WS View (just for safety - FOSHKplugin is in Beta-state)
# open a console on your Linux-machine
# make sure you have Python & the libraries we need
sudo apt-get -y install --no-upgrade python3 python3-pip
pip3 install requests

# create a new dir somewhere
sudo mkdir /opt/FOSHKplugin

# change into this new dir
cd /opt/FOSHKplugin

# get current Beta of FOSHKplugin
wget -N http://foshkplugin.phantasoft.de/files/generic-FOSHKplugin-0.0.6Beta.zip

# unzip the file
unzip generic-FOSHKplugin-0.0.6Beta.zip

# get ip address of weather station --> WS_IP
./foshkplugin.py -getwsip

# get port of weather station --> WS_PORT
./foshkplugin.py -getwsport

# now set the desired sending interval to 5 seconds
./foshkplugin.py -setWSinterval WS_IP WS_PORT 5

I don't think FOSHK built the 16 second limit into the app for no reason. At least I hope so.
But I also hoped that this interval can be reduced when using a WS80.
A shorter interval only makes sense if a WS80 is used, since all other sensors transmit at longer intervals.
I recommend sticking to the given values. But I understand your wish. For testing purposes, a shorter interval didn't cause any problems for me.
But I do not take any guarantees.

Regards, Oliver

Re: WS-80 Ultrasonic Wind sensor array

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Any chance you can share that alternative software approach?
Yes.
Do you use Ecowitt or WU for custom server?
Do you have a Linux-machine with Python3 available?

Oliver

I have a Linux install with python 3 available.
Using Ecowitt protocol.

Re: WS-80 Ultrasonic Wind sensor array

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The ObserverIP does not allow for a "customized" weather service by default. What I accomplished by telnet is to have it send its data to my own web server instead of to WU's web servers.

I did not change any setting related to timing on the ObserverIP.
Okay yes I know that the ObserverIP does not have "Customized" in Ambient firmware. But in the Aercus firmware it does have this option. When you telnet and change where the data goes you are basically creating a "Customized" option in a round about way.

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Since I have the ObserverIP report directly to my web server I can see exactly when each report comes in and it's definitely synchronized with the sensor reporting intervals. When my WH24 goes belly up, I only get reports every 60s (from the WH32). Whereas otherwise I get 4 reports per minute. I think that's pretty conclusive. WU wouldn't show you that level of detail.
That is rather interesting. I would suggest to Ecowitt or Fine Offset if that is whom you are talking to, to change this. That sounds like a very nice way to deal with incoming RF data...rather than just holding on to that data till the next update interval.

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In the GW1000 thread people have reported that when it's used in polling mode, firmware updates will fail unless polling is suspended.
Yes I remember seeing this issue in the past. But I believe this issue has been fixed in recent firmware. There should be no need to disable polling software in order to do a firmware update. I'm currently running various software simultaneously polling with the GW1000 API (Cumulus MX, Weather-Display, and Meteobridge) and I've done several firmware updates without any problems and I didn't stop any of those three software. The firmware update now happens within seconds (like 10 seconds) and the device restarts and is back in operation and the software barely notices that the GW1000 was busy doing a firmware update.

Re: WS-80 Ultrasonic Wind sensor array

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Any chance you can share that alternative software approach?
Yes.
Do you use Ecowitt or WU for custom server?
Do you have a Linux-machine with Python3 available?

Ecowitt and yes on the rest.

I found the FOSHKPlugin through your profile and was planning to dig in to see how you do it, but having you provide the cli commands is way better and much appreciated!

I'm sure everybody w/ a WS80 and a customized server setup will much appreciate your guide :)

Re: Just got a new HP2550 clone (Watson W8686)

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@souldrifter798
Thanks for the update , glad your unit arrived.
Love the website info , added as a bookmark

Do you have the Air Quality sensor attached to the W8686 or is that data from the old unit

I hasve an OLD samsung andriod tablet that never gets used now , as its OS is old , perhaps i'll look into having that setup up , but i suspect i need a webserver on a pc running all the time, I do have some old Windows 7 laptops laying around i could use. and have a play at setting up.

Re: Just got a new HP2550 clone (Watson W8686)

Re: Just got a new HP2550 clone (Watson W8686)

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Thanks found it ,
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was planning on getting this one
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Also found on amazon
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Re: Just got a new HP2550 clone (Watson W8686)

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@souldrifter798
Thanks for the update , glad your unit arrived.
Love the website info , added as a bookmark

Do you have the Air Quality sensor attached to the W8686 or is that data from the old unit

I hasve an OLD samsung andriod tablet that never gets used now , as its OS is old , perhaps i'll look into having that setup up , but i suspect i need a webserver on a pc running all the time, I do have some old Windows 7 laptops laying around i could use. and have a play at setting up.

You don't need a pc/laptop running 24/7 to use that dashboard. It grabs the data from ecowitt or wunderground api.

You will just need some web hosting. I believe you can use the free plan from https://www.000webhost.com to run the dashboard on.

I have a business website on a hosting account already, so i just purchased a new domain and run it on the same account.

Download for the dashboard is:https://pwsdashboard.comurl

If you want help setting it up PM me and i will gladly help  [tup]

Re: Just got a new HP2550 clone (Watson W8686)

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